Minor Dialogues, Together With the Dialogue on Clemency
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- 1. Book 1 β Part 1 of 5: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:38 Free
- 2. Book 1 β Part 2 of 5: III. However, as my argument proceeds, I shall prove... 8:44
- 3. Book 1 β Part 3 of 5: For a man cannot know himself without a trial: no on... 8:39
- 4. Book 1 β Part 4 of 5: "Ye immortal Gods," said he, "the only complaint whi... 9:21
- 5. Book 1 β Part 5 of 5: That is, to triumph over 1:37
- 6. Book 2 β Part 1 of 6: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:28
- 7. Book 2 β Part 2 of 6: V. If you think fit, my Serenus, let us distinguish... 8:00
- 8. Book 2 β Part 3 of 6: "If," says our adversary, "Socrates was unjustly con... 8:37
- 9. Book 2 β Part 4 of 6: XI. Besides this, as most insults proceed from those... 8:24
- 10. Book 2 β Part 5 of 6: XV. Cease then to say, "Will not the wise man, then... 8:50
- 11. Book 2 β Part 6 of 6: XIX. We ought not to engage in quarrels and wranglin... 3:14
- 12. Book 3 β Part 1 of 6: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 9:20
- 13. Book 3 β Part 2 of 6: V. We have now finished our enquiry as to what anger... 8:32
- 14. Book 3 β Part 3 of 6: IX. In the next place, anger has nothing useful in i... 8:53
- 15. Book 3 β Part 4 of 6: XIII. Moreover, qualities which we ought to possess... 9:10
- 16. Book 3 β Part 5 of 6: What, indeed? since reason is far more powerful by i... 9:30
- 17. Book 3 β Part 6 of 6: You should not believe the words of angry men, whose... 7:25
- 18. Book 4 β Part 1 of 8: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:50
- 19. Book 4 β Part 2 of 8: VI. "Virtue," argues our adversary, "ought to be ang... 9:26
- 20. Book 4 β Part 3 of 8: XI. "Anger," says our opponent, "is useful, because... 9:29
- 21. Book 4 β Part 4 of 8: XVI. Those animals, urges our opponent, are held to... 8:54
- 22. Book 4 β Part 5 of 8: This shows itself especially in those who are rich a... 8:24
- 23. Book 4 β Part 6 of 8: XXVII. There are some things which are unable to hur... 8:42
- 24. Book 4 β Part 7 of 8: XXXI. There are, as I have stated, two cases which p... 8:57
- 25. Book 4 β Part 8 of 8: He who refuses to pardon, how often has he begged it... 8:27
- 26. Book 5 β Part 1 of 10: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 9:12
- 27. Book 5 β Part 2 of 10: V. You ask me, whither does all this tend 8:27
- 28. Book 5 β Part 3 of 10: We must add to this, that the man who lives with qui... 9:12
- 29. Book 5 β Part 4 of 10: Being asked by a friend who happened to come in, wha... 8:34
- 30. Book 5 β Part 5 of 10: XVI. As long, however, as we find nothing in our lif... 8:02
- 31. Book 5 β Part 6 of 10: XX. Thus, the king of the Persians cut off the noses... 9:02
- 32. Book 5 β Part 7 of 10: XXV. As it is a consolation to a humble man in troub... 9:32
- 33. Book 5 β Part 8 of 10: XXX. How much better is it to observe how trifling... 8:32
- 34. Book 5 β Part 9 of 10: You may apply these remarks about your ears with equ... 8:42
- 35. Book 5 β Part 10 of 10: XLI. If any one's power is so great that he can trea... 6:55
- 36. Book 6 β Part 1 of 9: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:30
- 37. Book 6 β Part 2 of 9: When, however, she at last laid him in the tomb, she... 8:45
- 38. Book 6 β Part 3 of 9: VIII. Moreover, that which depends upon nature is no... 8:46
- 39. Book 6 β Part 4 of 9: Whithersoever he moves he straightway becomes consci... 8:19
- 40. Book 6 β Part 5 of 9: XV. Why need I remind you of the deaths of the other... 8:32
- 41. Book 6 β Part 6 of 9: To everyone Nature says: "I do not deceive any person 9:16
- 42. Book 6 β Part 7 of 9: It is open to all: it was what your father, Marcia... 8:56
- 43. Book 6 β Part 8 of 9: The inscription was put up: and those keen-scented h... 8:41
- 44. Book 6 β Part 9 of 9: XXVI. Imagine then, Marcia, that your father, whose... 5:47
- 45. Book 7 β Part 1 of 8: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:24
- 46. Book 7 β Part 2 of 8: If you choose to pursue this digression further, you... 8:31
- 47. Book 7 β Part 3 of 8: By this means we shall obtain a strength and an abil... 8:19
- 48. Book 7 β Part 4 of 8: XIII. I myself believe, though my Stoic comrades wou... 9:02
- 49. Book 7 β Part 5 of 8: If, therefore, any one of those dogs who yelp at phi... 8:42
- 50. Book 7 β Part 6 of 8: XXI. "But how is it that this man studies philosophy... 8:28
- 51. Book 7 β Part 7 of 8: The former will say to you, "In my talk I express th... 9:02
- 52. Book 7 β Part 8 of 8: XXVII. Behold! from that prison of his, which by ent... 4:27
- 53. Book 8: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 16:54
- 54. Book 9 β Part 1 of 8: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:26
- 55. Book 9 β Part 2 of 8: What you need, therefore, is, not any of those harsh... 8:50
- 56. Book 9 β Part 3 of 8: The man that does good service to the state is not o... 8:29
- 57. Book 9 β Part 4 of 8: It is above all things necessary to form a true esti... 8:07
- 58. Book 9 β Part 5 of 8: IX. We shall be pleased with this measure of wealth... 8:35
- 59. Book 9 β Part 6 of 8: If you still wish me to own anything of yours, I wil... 8:08
- 60. Book 9 β Part 7 of 8: XIII. It was, I imagine, following out this principl... 7:58
- 61. Book 9 β Part 8 of 8: XVI. There comes now a part of our subject which is... 9:00
- 62. Book 10 β Part 1 of 7: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:51
- 63. Book 10 β Part 2 of 7: He, who saw everything depending upon himself alone... 8:35
- 64. Book 10 β Part 3 of 7: Fortune may deal with the rest as she will, his life... 8:19
- 65. Book 10 β Part 4 of 7: XI. In a word, do you want to know for how short a t... 8:33
- 66. Book 10 β Part 5 of 7: It would be much better that such a thing should be... 8:30
- 67. Book 10 β Part 6 of 7: XVII. Such men's very pleasures are restless and dis... 8:41
- 68. Book 10 β Part 7 of 7: I cannot pass over an an instance which occurs to me... 4:28
- 69. Book 11 β Part 1 of 7: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:49
- 70. Book 11 β Part 2 of 7: Consequently I have always believed that there was n... 8:32
- 71. Book 11 β Part 3 of 7: Subsequently the Ligurians came over into this same... 8:49
- 72. Book 11 β Part 4 of 7: Gaius Caesar, whom in my opinion Nature produced in... 9:12
- 73. Book 11 β Part 5 of 7: Scipio's daughters received their dowries from the T... 8:08
- 74. Book 11 β Part 6 of 7: Unchastity, the greatest evil of the age, has never... 8:38
- 75. Book 11 β Part 7 of 7: XIX. I have hitherto said nothing of your chief sour... 5:33
- 76. Book 12 β Part 1 of 6: OF THE DIALOGUES OF L 8:28
- 77. Book 12 β Part 2 of 6: V. It will also be no small assistance to you to con... 8:38
- 78. Book 12 β Part 3 of 6: IX. It will also be a great solace to you if you oft... 8:44
- 79. Book 12 β Part 4 of 6: All men, nay, all things look forward to an end of t... 8:47
- 80. Book 12 β Part 5 of 6: The Emperor Augustus lost his darling sister Octavia... 8:55
- 81. Book 12 β Part 6 of 6: I know, indeed, that there are some men, whose wisdo... 4:19
- 82. Book 1 β Part 1 of 8: OF THE DIALOGUE OF L 8:24
- 83. Book 1 β Part 2 of 8: Just as the entire body is commanded by the mind, an... 8:05
- 84. Book 1 β Part 3 of 8: VIII. You think it a serious matter to take away fro... 8:10
- 85. Book 1 β Part 4 of 8: X. Your great-great-grandfather spared the vanquishe... 8:40
- 86. Book 1 β Part 5 of 8: Men talk of such a one in private in the same words... 7:40
- 87. Book 1 β Part 6 of 8: XVIII. It is creditable to a man to keep within reas... 8:57
- 88. Book 1 β Part 7 of 8: XXII. Let us now pass on to the consideration of wro... 8:46
- 89. Book 1 β Part 8 of 8: Gertz reads sexagesimum, his sixtieth year, which he... 2:51
- 90. Book 2: OF THE DIALOGUE OF L 13:45
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OF THE DIALOGUES OF L. ANNAEUS SENECA, ADDRESSED TO LUCILIUS.
"WHY, WHEN A PROVIDENCE EXISTS, ANY MISFORTUNES BEFALL GOOD MEN;" OR, "OF PROVIDENCE"
I. You have asked me, Lucilius, why, if the world be ruled by providence, so many evils befall good men? The answer to this would be more conveniently given in the course of this work, after we have proved that providence governs the universe, and that God is amongst us: but, since you wish me to deal with one point apart from the whole, and to answer one replication before the main action has been decided, I will do what is not difficult, and plead the cause of the gods.
At the present time it is superfluous to point out that it is not without some guardian that so great a work maintains its position, that the assemblage and movements of the stars do not depend upon accidental impulses, or that objects whose motion is regulated by chance often fall into confusion and soon stumble, whereas this swift and safe movement goes on, governed by eternal law, bearing with it so many things both on sea and land, so many most brilliant lights shining in order in the skies; that this regularity does not belong to matter moving at random, and that particles brought together by chance could not arrange themselves with such art as to make the heaviest weight, that of the earth, remain unmoved, and behold the flight of the heavens as they hasten round it, to make the seas pour into the valleys and so temper the climate of the land, without any sensible increase from the rivers which flow into them, or to cause huge growths to proceed from minute seeds.
Even those phenomena which appear to be confused and irregular, I mean showers of rain and clouds, the rush of lightning from the heavens, fire that pours from the riven peaks of mountains, quakings of the trembling earth, and everything else which is produced on earth by the unquiet element in the universe, do not come to pass without reason, though they do so suddenly: but they also have their causes, as also have those things which excite our wonder by the strangeness of their position, such as warm springs amidst the waves of the sea, and new islands that spring up in the wide ocean. Moreover, any one who has watched how the shore is laid bare by the retreat of the sea into itself, and how within a short time it is again covered, will believe that it is in obedience to some hidden law of change that the waves are at one time contracted and driven inwards, at another burst forth and regain their bed with a strong current, since all the while they wax in regular proportion, and come up at their appointed day and hour greater or less, according as the moon, at whose pleasure the ocean flows, draws them.
Let these matters be set aside for discussion at their own proper season, but I, since you do not doubt the existence of providence but complain of it, will on that account more readily reconcile you to gods who are most excellent to excellent men: for indeed the nature of things does not ever permit good to be injured by good. Between good men and the gods there is a friendship which is brought about by virtueβ friendship do I say? nay, rather relationship and likeness, since the good man differs from a god in time alone, being his pupil and rival and true offspring, whom his glorious parent trains more severely than other men, insisting sternly on virtuous conduct, just as strict fathers do. When therefore you see men who are good and acceptable to the gods toiling, sweating, painfully struggling upwards, while bad men run riot and are steeped in pleasures, reflect that modesty pleases us in our sons, and forwardness in our house-born slave-boys; that the former are held in check by a somewhat stern rule, whereas the boldness of the latter is encouraged. Be thou sure that God acts in like manner: He does not pet the good man: He tries him, hardens him, and fits him for Himself.
II. Why do many things turn out badly for good men? Why, no evil can befall a good man: contraries cannot combine. Just as so many rivers, so many showers of rain from the clouds, such a number of medicinal springs, do not alter the taste of the sea, indeed, do not so much as soften it, so the pressure of adversity does not affect the mind of a brave man; for the mind of a brave man maintains its balance and throws its own complexion over all that takes place, because it is more powerful than any external circumstances. I do not say that he does not feel them, but he conquers them, and on occasion calmly and tranquilly rises superior to their attacks, holding all misfortunes to be trials of his own firmness. Yet who is there who, provided he be a man and have honourable ambition, does not long for due employment, and is not eager to do his duty in spite of danger? Is there any hard-working man to whom idleness is not a punishment?
We see athletes, who study only their bodily strength, engage in contests with the strongest of men, and insist that those who train them for the arena should put out their whole strength when practising with them: they endure blows and maltreatment, and, if they cannot find any single person who is their match, they engage with several at once: their strength and courage droop without an antagonist: they can only prove how great and how mighty it is by proving how much they can endure. You should know that good men ought to act in like manner, so as not to fear troubles and difficulties, nor to lament their hard fate, to take in good part whatever befalls them, and force it to become a blessing to them. It does not matter what you bear, but how you bear it. Do you not see how differently fathers and mothers indulge their children? how the former urge them to begin their tasks betimes, will not suffer them to be idle even on holidays, and exercise them till they perspire, and sometimes till they shed tearsβwhile their mothers want to cuddle them in their laps, and keep them out of the sun, and never wish them to be vexed, or to cry, or to work.
God bears a fatherly mind towards good men, and loves them in a manly spirit. "Let them," says He, "be exercised by labours, sufferings, and losses, that so they may gather true strength." Those who are surfeited with ease break down not only with labour, but with mere motion and by their own weight. Unbroken prosperity cannot bear a single blow; but he who has waged an unceasing strife with his misfortunes has gained a thicker skin by his sufferings, yields to no disaster, and even though he fall yet fights on his knee. Do you wonder that God, who so loves the good, who would have them attain the highest goodness and pre-eminence, should appoint fortune to be their adversary? I should not be surprised if the gods sometimes experience a wish to behold great men struggling with some misfortune. We sometimes are delighted when a youth of steady courage receives on his spear the wild beast that attacks him; or when he meets the charge of a lion without flinching; and the more eminent the man is who acts thus, the more attractive is the sight: yet these are not matters which can attract the attention of the gods, but are mere pastime and diversions of human frivolity.
Behold a sight worthy to be viewed by a god interested in his own work, behold a pair worthy of a god, a brave man matched with evil fortune, especially if he himself has given the challenge. I say, I do not know what nobler spectacle Jupiter could find on earth, should he turn his eyes thither, than that of Cato, after his party had more than once been defeated, still standing upright amid the ruins of the commonwealth. Quoth he, "What though all be fallen into one man's power, though the land be guarded by his legions, the sea by his fleets, though Caesar's soldiers beset the city gate? Cato has a way out of it: with one hand he will open a wide path to freedom; his sword, which he has borne unstained by disgrace and innocent of crime even in a civil war, will still perform good and noble deeds; it will give to Cato that freedom which it could not give to his country. Begin, my soul, the work which thou so long hast contemplated, snatch thyself away from the world of man.
Already Petreius and Juba have met and fallen, each slain by the other's handβa brave and noble compact with fate, yet not one befitting my greatness: it is as disgraceful for Cato to beg his death of any one as it would be for him to beg his life."
It is clear to me that the gods must have looked on with great joy, while that man, his own most ruthless avenger, took thought for the safety of others and arranged the escape of those who departed, while even on his last night he pursued his studies, while he drove the sword into his sacred breast, while he tore forth his vitals and laid his hand upon that most holy life which was unworthy to be defiled by steel. This, I am inclined to think, was the reason that his wound was not well-aimed and mortal: the gods were not satisfied with seeing Cato die once: his courage was kept in action and recalled to the stage, that it might display itself in a more difficult part: for it needs a greater mind to return a second time to death. How could they fail to view their pupil with interest when leaving his life by such a noble and memorable departure? Men are raised to the level of the gods by a death which is admired even by those who fear them.
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